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“The spacing between each set of rungs attached to the turnstile’s rotor (movable section) is too wide,” said city engineer Melody Rocco. “It’s so wide that two skaters can access the turnstile at one time Also, a skater with a bike can walk right through.”

“We ordered what we thought would work,” she added.

Rocco said that the city is looking at ways to fix the turnstiles by modifying the existing rotating section or ordering a new turnstile. It could take up to two months to remedy the situation. Quotes on costs are still being worked out, she said.

Meanwhile, a new thumbprint scanning system, which eventually will be attached to the turnstiles, is expected to arrive next week. It will not be activated until the turnstile situation is remedied, Rocco said.

After the scanner is installed in the park’s turnstiles, skaters will have to press their thumbprint against it, allowing the scanner to read it, recognize it and unlock the gate. Skaters will not have park access unless they, or their parents, have filled out a waiver, and had their photo and fingerprints taken.

For those who misbehave, privileges will be revoked for a few days or more, depending on the seriousness of the incident, Senior Recreation Supervisor Greg Sundberg said.

Local skaters will get plenty of notice about when to sign up for the security measures, Sundberg added. A city employee will come to the park and take information from the skaters on a laptop.

“We thought about issuing ID cards, but kids could transfer them back and forth,” Sundberg said. “We wanted a little accountability, so the scanner seemed best.”

“We want the park to be a safe place for kids,” Sundberg added. “We’re not changing the rules — just adding security.”

Security fencing around the facility’s bathroom has already been installed. A wrought iron fence with a curved top surrounds the park.

Another recent problem is that bike riders like to use the skate ramps during the same time that skateboarders do.

“Our big issue is that bikes mixing with skateboards could be a dangerous combination,” Sundberg said. “They’re really not allowed inside the fence.”

Meanwhile, some, but not all skaters have expressed reluctance to participate in the thumbprinting process.

“No one wants to be printed, but if it stops crime, it’s OK with me,” said Chris Hurst.

Those who frequent the park, such as Hurst, 21, and David Carmer, 14, said they appreciate the “smooth surface” and layout of ramps.

They give Poway’s facility a high score because it is well-maintained and basically, “fun to skate,” Hurst said.

Carmer, however, differs from Hurst’s viewpoint in that the new restrictions, “feel like we’ll be in jail.”

One unidentified skater said that city officials have typically been concerned that skateboarders “ruin the streets” and other parts of the community.
He was not surprised about the announcement about the new security, he said.
He and others wondered about privacy issues, such as would the city share the thumbprint data with the local deputies.

“I see no situation with minors that we would do that,” Sundberg said. “It could be different with those 18 and over.”

The city is now formulating regulations that will govern the thumbprint data, he added.

The park, located on the corner of Civic Center and Tarascan drives, has free admission and is adjacent to the sheriff’s station and Poway Library.

Comments 9 comments for this article
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
Whats going to keep skaters from taking a hammer to the scanner? I don't see this working,I saw this as a waste of MY city tax dollars when they were talking about the grand idea in the planning stages. Hopefully the kid in the picture got a ticket for riding without a helmet. The skaters who they are worried about have no regard for public property or skate laws, they will find a way to get in regardless of "thumbprint" or not. As for the turnstiles, didn't anyone measure before ordering? It's not rocketscience! How much more is this going to cost the citizens of Poway? Goodgrief enough already, open up the park and post a sign that reads "skate at your own risk" once it is beyond repair or someone gets hurt because they didn't follow common sense rules or the law, close it and fill it up.
Duhhhhh
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
I don't see any of the skateboarders in the photo wearing a helmet or other protective gear. If the thumb-print biometric security will help get a signed waiver from skateboarders and limit the city's liability--I'm all for it.

Regarding the spacing error at the turnstyle-->stuff happens. Luckily when it happens to most of us, it doesn't usually end up in the newspaper.

From the City of Poway website:
"State law requires that helmets, elbow pads, and knee pads be worn at all times when at the skate park. Skates, roller blades, and skateboards are the only items allowed in the skate park. A guardian must supervise children under the age of fourteen."
Jeff
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
“We ordered what we thought would work,� How professional!
Let's just take guess and spend city money. There are computer programs that can test out these ideas beforehand.

Once again, the city wastes our tax dollars on planning something poorly. If i recall correctly, didn't they have to dig up and redo stuff that they goofed up on Midland in Old Poway not too long ago? What about all those trees that got chopped down mistakenly and became a legal nightmare that cost the city hundreds of thousands of dollars?
What about all the planning and consulting done for the Town Center, which didn't happen? And weren't there some overpriced statues that turned out not to be needed? And those horribly-expensive signs all over Poway, that are written with white letters on yellow background, the lease readable color combination? Projects should be thoroughly planned and tested before carrying them out and spending tons of city tax dollars on them.
inky
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
I neglected to mention this, but the young man in the pictures is not wearing a helmet. Are they not required at Poway's skate park?
inky
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
Duhhh;

Sorry but "Skate at your own Risk" is not a realistic remedy in our current litigious society. Who do you think the parents of the kid who breaks his ankle at the park is going to sue? Obviously, the City, who will then use our tax dollars to pay the kids medical bills, and any applicable attorney fees and court costs. Then after the first law suit, the City will have to invoke stricter entrance guidlines and make everyone sign waivers anyways.

"Skate at your own risk" may have worked in the 80's, but not nowadays. I remember the days at 'Webb Park" where we would get hurt at least a few times a day, and the last thing I cared about was suing the city of RB. I just wanted to skate.

Those days are long gone. Now, the majority of the douche bags that go to the skate parks are not even real skaters who take the sport seriously. The just want to hang out, smoke cigarettes and weed, and fish for mexicans to buy them beer. Then they go to Alberto's when they are buzzed and get a fat Carne Asada burrito. Dont even get me started on the BMXers. There is no place for BMXers in a "skate" park. Take a hike punks!

The ONLY way to have a safe and fun "skate park" these days is to impose the very types of legal restrictions that the City of Poway is doing. It keeps the posers out of the park, and makes the park available to the kids and adults who actually take the sport seriously and arent just there to get F'd up with their scumbag poser friends.
SkateorDie
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
I totally agree with the comments below. What a waste of my tax dollars on kids that have no respect for people or other people's property. I have been cursed and insulted by these kids because they think they have the right to do whatever they want wherever they want. I cannot believe that my tax dollars are being wasted on these disrespectful kids. They are nothing but a nuisance to society. Just last week on Community road one of these skaters almost got killed right before my eyes because he had the brilliant idea of crossing the street right in the middle of the traffic!!! The car screeched tires just inches from him to what this kid, instead of apologizing, cursed at the driver!!! I have seen these kids drinking, smoking and puffing pot rigth at that skate park and right in front of the police station, not to mention all the rules they break and all the people they disrespect. What a joke, I am furious that my tax dollars are being spent on this skate park when it should be shut down altogether.
Claudia
Added: February 22, 2010. 06:49 AM
How does ordering a part that isn't right for your application become a "design flaw" ?
Never Admit You Made An Error
Added: February 20, 2010. 12:45 PM
Wasting money..
“We ordered what we thought would work,”
It's not rocket science... order what you KNOW will work. Especially when spending taxpayers' money.

The kids in the pictures are not wearing helmets. "HELMETS, ELBOW PADS AND KNEE PADS ARE REQUIRED TO BE WORN AT ALL TIMES. ANY PERSON FAILING TO DO SO WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE AND BE SUBJECT TO CITATION. "
inky
Added: February 20, 2010. 12:36 PM
Helmets for all
Everyone who uses the city's public facility should be required to wear a helmet regardless of age.
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